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發表於 2004-5-13 17:21:01 |只看該作者
Q1: HGC tech level maybe very so so. So we may able to get more than 1 IP address. Even they don't router only cost $2xx.

Q2: Your first socket and second socket both work right. But network cannot connect like this. Network cable must be direct between two computers if more than 2. Then you need a hub or switch or router. In case like this two computer both connect to the socket. The first one turn on will register with DHCP server. The second one will not connect. It is network conflict. Actually I am not 100% sure. Someone please help.

[quote:0abb136531="Arbee"]sorry don't be confuse there are 2 question.

q1. will hutchison assign more then one ip address ? you said the official answer is no. yes I agree I asked before and get the same answer but I tried at many building using Hutchison boardband its really can assign more then 1 ip address so that more then 1 pc can use internet without a router that's just an other way I 'm not refuse to use a boardband router but I got some bad experience in useing remote desktop and web cam before..

q2. that's just a cable issue. I m saying. 可以用一個 RJ45 socket 來張連到第2間room的cable用parellel的方式接上 咁做就唔駛disable左第一間room個network port.



[quote:0abb136531="Rambler Villager"]This method normally won't work. Because each computer must have a IP address in order to connect to internet (WAN). There are two computer in your home LAN and even you connect the cable. Only one can access the internet.. You need a router to connect the WAN port from outside and LAN port in your home network.

Arbee
       
發表於: 星期二 五月 11 2004 2:19 am   文章主題:  
yes I agree this method but instead of using connector which will disabled the port in the small room I suggest to use a RJ45 socket and parellel the cable so that we can use internet everywhere. I m not very sure this method is works any comments qualcomm ??[/quote][/quote]

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發表於 2004-5-13 17:49:10 |只看該作者
[quote:dde68ce627="Rambler Villager"]Q1: HGC tech level maybe very so so. So we may able to get more than 1 IP address. Even they don't router only cost $2xx.

-> HGC can easily control number of MAC address allowed from one switch port. So you may definely can have one IP address coming from either DHCP or FIX. Connecting more machine you need a Broadband Router to NAT you connections. For HK$200~300 you can have Broadband router support 4 machines with simple firewall feature built in. But make sure you upgrade your firmware to latest for your Broadband router. So just a Broadband router you can have multiple PC connecting to Internet regardless of setting for your ISP. It's much better have a firewall to protect your PC from Internet attack. Direct connected PC to Internet is even wrose than not to connect at all.

Q2: Your first socket and second socket both work right. But network cannot connect like this. Network cable must be direct between two computers if more than 2. Then you need a hub or switch or router. In case like this two computer both connect to the socket. The first one turn on will register with DHCP server. The second one will not connect. It is network conflict. Actually I am not 100% sure. Someone please help.

--> Right you can't connect two machine to same switch port. It doesn't work. Again HGC's switch port will connect to your broadband router and your broadband router provides more port for you internal PC. You need to have individual cable to connect each of PC to separated ports on Broadband Router.

Hope it can help.

liuh


[quote:dde68ce627="Arbee"]sorry don't be confuse there are 2 question.

q1. will hutchison assign more then one ip address ? you said the official answer is no. yes I agree I asked before and get the same answer but I tried at many building using Hutchison boardband its really can assign more then 1 ip address so that more then 1 pc can use internet without a router that's just an other way I 'm not refuse to use a boardband router but I got some bad experience in useing remote desktop and web cam before..

q2. that's just a cable issue. I m saying. 可以用一個 RJ45 socket 來張連到第2間room的cable用parellel的方式接上 咁做就唔駛disable左第一間room個network port.



[quote:dde68ce627="Rambler Villager"]This method normally won't work. Because each computer must have a IP address in order to connect to internet (WAN). There are two computer in your home LAN and even you connect the cable. Only one can access the internet.. You need a router to connect the WAN port from outside and LAN port in your home network.

Arbee
       
發表於: 星期二 五月 11 2004 2:19 am   文章主題:  
yes I agree this method but instead of using connector which will disabled the port in the small room I suggest to use a RJ45 socket and parellel the cable so that we can use internet everywhere. I m not very sure this method is works any comments qualcomm ??[/quote][/quote][/quote]

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發表於 2004-5-13 18:27:15 |只看該作者
Q1. forget it don't want to discuss anymore its simple just plug in two computer by a hub/switch you will got the answer. yes boardband router is cheap really cheap. I m not refuse to use this hub is just another method can be used to assign you more then 1 real ip listen real ip in most of the Hutchison boardband at leaset 5 of my friends are using this method (included ADSL and ethernet you know boardband router is not so common in few years before)....

Q2. Yes right I'm not saying use this 2 port in the same time... just don't want to disable it just in case you are using a laptop you can plug and use internet everyware without wireless........then you may say wireless is cheap..xyz yes its cheap just another method too.......

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發表於 2004-5-13 19:43:48 |只看該作者
[quote:d32d1575c4="Arbee"]Q1. forget it don't want to discuss anymore its simple just plug in two computer by a hub/switch you will got the answer. yes boardband router is cheap really cheap. I m not refuse to use this hub is just another method can be used to assign you more then 1 real ip listen real ip in most of the Hutchison boardband at leaset 5 of my friends are using this method (included ADSL and ethernet you know boardband router is not so common in few years before)....

--> OK understand your question better. It's a workable solution to have hub and with multiple machines only if
a.  HGC supports multiple IP either DHCP or fixed (as you have described)
b. Two machines should be close by the Hub. If you want thoese two machines locate in different room you need to lay the cable again.

Q2. Yes right I'm not saying use this 2 port in the same time... just don't want to disable it just in case you are using a laptop you can plug and use internet everyware without wireless........then you may say wireless is cheap..xyz yes its cheap just another method too......

--> Yes you can T-off  your RJ45 connection but can't have two machines active  at same time. Glad to see someone here doesn't like the wireless at all. Tell you the truth I can easily get into other's wireless broadband router in same building. In fact I really don't need my own Internet connection at all. That's why I won't suggest wireless unless you know how to secure it.

Anyway... Relax I just want to help here. And good luck for your mini-network.

liuh

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75#
發表於 2004-5-13 20:31:53 |只看該作者
D 線咁駁唔知work 唔work?
附件: 你需要登錄才可以下載或查看附件。沒有帳號?註冊

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發表於 2004-5-13 20:38:08 |只看該作者
[quote:739ea5c112="smallpotato"]D 線咁駁唔知work 唔work?[/quote]

If the Cat5 cable is not too long it might work but the interference between two connetions might be high.  So the error rate might be high. Longer the cable higher the error rate. Still you can try.

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77#
發表於 2004-5-13 21:14:30 |只看該作者
其實cat5 Cable 點解有4 pair 原因是預留將來upgrade 用 (還有以前出過隻100Base-T4) 基本上用兩pair都ok.
如果你用cat5e 就更加不怕有問題.

1. Cat5e sure 行到125MHz 但100Base-T 只用100MHz
2. 現在的Gigabit Ethernet 是用足4pair 行125MHz 都無事. 你用4pair 行兩個100Base-T 一定無事.
3. 只是20米到30米的短距離.... Gigabit 行100米都無事....
超頻COD中 (Compulsive Obsessive Disorder)

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78#
發表於 2004-5-14 00:05:57 |只看該作者
唔work. Below is the difference between hub switch router.

[quote:c5030d0b4f="smallpotato"]D 線咁駁唔知work 唔work?[/quote]
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79#
發表於 2004-5-14 00:49:56 |只看該作者
又唔work ??  應該 work 嫁 bor....又係HGC tech support 教你嫁.... ??

你睇清楚d喎.....咩 diff between router switch  hub 呀... ??

當然 如果你話有干擾就另作別論啦.......不過咁短 都唔會有咩問題 有時係公司 冇辦法既情況下都冇計 都要咁做 10米我都試過得 咁短 ok 既....我覺得就算真係有干擾都唔值得為左一兩個packet lost而拉cable... home network 都係用黎上吓網 開心下姐....

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80#
發表於 2004-5-14 01:00:34 |只看該作者
首先多謝咁多位好鄰居回應
但係有人話work有人話唔work...令我有d混亂

Sorry Rambler Villager 我唔係好明你的解釋可唔可以講得詳細小小
hub switch 同 router 同駁線work唔work有關係?
因為我想全屋socket可以上網又見hgc比我地條線只係用左四芯又又因為條喉太窄好難拉到一個socket用一條cat5線所以諗下可唔可以用一條8芯cat5線拆開比2個socket用

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